1. To the right are the bronze plates which adorn the doors of the Baptistery of San Giovanni. One is Ghiberti's and the other is Brunelleschi's. Based on King's description on page 19, which artist created which plate (resist the temptation to google the answer)? Please read Genesis 22:2-13; which plate captures the scene described in the bible better?
I think the plate on top is Filippo's and the plate on bottom is Lorenzo's, and I think the plate on bottom captures the scene better.
ReplyDeleteI believe that after reading page 19, the bronze plate on top is the work of Filippo Brunelleschi. I figure this because as stated in the second paragraph of the page, “Filippo’s panel is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac.” Though as dramatic as Filippo’s plate was, Lorenzo evenly matched him with his plate (bottom) that portrayed very graceful and beautiful figures. I also believe that Lorenzo’s plate captures the scene better because of its elegance and its vivid picture. It is clear that much hard work was put into the figures portrayed.
ReplyDeleteThe bronze plate on top depicts the characters in violent ways that fit with Filippo Brunelleschi's dramatic description of his panel. The plate on the bottom matches Lorenzo Ghiberti's picture because of its peaceful and elegant look. Ghiberti's plate on the bottom captures the story of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac better because it is not violent, but rather peaceful and straightforward. The overall atmosphere of the panel corresponds to the simplicity of the Biblical story in Genesis.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your opinion about Ghiberti's plate better depicting the biblical account. The Genesis story is very simple and does not come across very violently.
DeleteI disagree that Lorenzo's plate was the better depiction of the Bible scene, I think that Filippo's shows the great emotion and pain that would have felt during the scene, which is it is proven that Abraham would have felt since God's purpose was to test Abraham. What better test could there be than to ask for the most difficult thing possible, to kill one's own child.
DeleteI think that both almost equally portray the passage. I think Abraham was feeling overwhelming emotion but it is wasn't through brutality. I think it was a peaceful scene with overwhelming emotion from Abraham.
DeleteI agree. I feel the top plate was made by Brunelleschi because of its violent characteristics and the bottom reflects Ghiberti's work because of its peacefulness. I also feel Brunelleschi's plate portrays the story of Abraham and his son Isaac because both are peaceful and straight-forward but contain a lot of truth and feeling.
DeleteI think that Brunelleschi better portrayed the events from the Bible because sacrificing his own son would have great internal conflict. This is better captured in Brunelleschi's plate and tells the story better without words.
DeleteI concur with the statement you made in that the bottom plate better depicts the sence in Genesis because "it is not violent, but rather peaceful and straightforward", in addition to this I also believe this plate is better because it shows Abraham as not being angry but instead following God's will obediently.
DeleteI agree with Emma Thomas. Brunelleschi's depiction, as said in the book, "is the more dramatic of the two." The upper panel is clearly more dramatic. I also feel that both bronze panels accurately portray the story of Abraham. Abraham was conflicted with this decision which creates a lot of drama,like Brunelleschi's panel. He uses the conflict to create a drama which makes the story leap off the bronze. But the story is told more simply,just like Ghiberti's panel which is simple yet elegant.
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ReplyDeleteI believe that the bronze plate on top is Filippo Brunelleschi's and the one on the bottom is Lorenzo Ghiberti's. I believe this because as described on page 19, Filippo's plate is more dramatic and shows Abraham and the angel in violent poses. While Lorenzo's plate shows a more elegant and softer scene. Also, i believe the bronze plate on the bottom depicts the story in Genesis 22:2-13 better.
The top one is Fillipo's because it portrays the angel and Abraham. The bottom one is Lorenzo's because it was much more graceful and used less bronze.
ReplyDeleteUsing page 19 of Brunelleschi's Dome as a guide, I believe that the top bronze plate was sculpted by Brunelleschi and the bottom plate was created by Ghiberti. This is because it looks like there is a more vivid struggle occurring between the subjects of the top bronze plate than in the more peaceful-looking atmosphere portrayed in the bottom plate. That would mean that the top plate is Brunelleschi's work because his sculpture is described as a more dramatic and violent scene in page 19 in the book while Ghiberti's is described as more "elegant". I also believe that, according to Genesis 22:2-13, Ghiberti's portrayal of the scene is a more accurate depiction of an angel saving Isaac from sacrifice.
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Agreeing with John, I have assimilated from King's description on pg. 19 as well as Genesis 22:2-13, that the door pictured above is Brunelleschi's due to its dramatic representation of Abraham's trial. As King states, “Filippo’s panel is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac.” On the other hand, Ghiberti's panel is most likely the bottom, accounted for by the figures portrayed in a more pecable and relaxed fashion. The panel above is a better depiction of the scene. The tale is one filled with tension and its climax is portrayed in a violent, bleak manner.
DeleteThe plate on the top is Filipo's because it portrays the scene of Abraham and Isaac as described on p. 19. The bottom one is Lorenzo's because the images are softer and more graceful. In my opinion the bottom one portrays the bible passage better because it is less violent. I agree with the response above in that Lorenzo's is the bottom image.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Peter's opinion. The plate on top is Brunelleschi's becuase it is the more violent of the two plates. The bottom plate is Lorenzo's image. This is because the image is more suttle, and less violent. The bottom image (Lorenzo's) definitly portrays the reading of genesis better than the top image (Filipo's). This is because the Bible passage is less violent.
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I feel the plate on the top is the work of Fillipo and the plate on the bottom is the work of Lorenzo.I believe this because of the information given on page 19. I concur with the statement made by Emma Thomas in that the bottom plate better depicts the sence in Genesis because "it is not violent, but rather peaceful and straightforward", in addition to this I also believe this plate is better because it shows Abraham as not being angry but instead following God's will obediently.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the plate on top is the work of Filippo and the bottom is Lorenzo's based on the information given in the book. Although, I disagree that the bottom panel best describes the bible passage because the passage in the bible corresponds with the panel on top. I think this because it shows all of the characters involved in the passage doing what they are described doing.
DeleteThe plate on the top embodies the discription of Fillipo’s work as depicted on page 19 by Ross King. The picture shows the usage of more bronze as well as the biblical characters displayed in violent positions. The bottom plate was plausibly done by Lorenzo as the figures “appear more graceful and elegant.” In agreement with Maggie McPike’s post, I too believe that Lorenzo’s plate captures the essence and overall tone as written in Genesis 22:2-13. It is my opinioun that Fillipo took a more creative approach to the contest, and created the scene as it might occur in a realistic prospective. The story would not be a “peaceful and straightforward” occurance. I imagine Abraham would be angry at God for asking him to sacrifice his only son, as that is the natural human reaction to such a tragedy.
ReplyDeleteThrough looking at both the plates, as well as reading the book and Genesis, I believe that the top bronze plate is done by Filippo and the bottom plate is done by Lorenzo. The feel the top plate is the work of Filippo because it depicts a very intense scene in which the angel and Abraham are in very violent poses. Lorenzo's work is shown in the bottom plate because the scene is still very powerful, but the angel and Abraham are much more peaceful and elegant. Also, Lorenzo's plate looks much more technically difficult than the other. I agree with Michaela Collins because I too believe that the story in Genesis 22 is better depicted in Lorenzo's tablet because it shows a less violent interpretation of the story.
ReplyDeleteI think that the bronze plate on top is Filippo's because it is more dramatic and because, as John Poydence said it looks as if it portrays both Abraham and the angel as stated on page 19. I think the bronze plate on the bottom is Lorenzo's because it appears to be more graceful and elegant. I also think that the bottom bronze plate captures the scene of Genesis 22:2-13 better because when Abraham went to sacrifice his son Isaac, it was peaceful just like Lorenzo's bronze plate shows.
ReplyDeleteI believe the bronze plate on top is the work of Filippo because it portrays, "both Adbraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the confronting figure of Isaac," as said by King on page 19. The bronze plate on the bottom is the work of Lorenzo because the figures appear more graceful, and the panel looks more accomplished. I agree with Peter Poggioli statement that the bottom one portrays the bible scene better because it is less violent.
ReplyDeleteBased on King’s description of the doors of the Baptistery of San Giovanni in Brunelleschi’s Dome, I believe that the panel on the top is Filippo Brunelleschi’s work, while Lorenzo Ghiberti created the panel on the bottom. Based on the description given in this book, it is clear that Brunelleschi’s panel is the one on the top. This panel is characterized by its melodramatic tone, which aids in depicting both Abraham and the angel in a vicious manner. Alternatively, Ghiberti’s panel, which is on the bottom, is known for its figures that “appear more graceful and elegant” (King 19). In this panel, there is no hint of anger but rather a sense of tranquility is imparted with Abraham looking up at an angel while standing next to his son Isaac. I agree with Emma Thomas’ comment about which panel best portrays the scene of Genesis 22:2-13. She wrote, “Ghiberti's plate on the bottom captures the story of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac better because it is not violent, but rather peaceful and straightforward.” I concur with this statement because in the Bible it seems as if Abraham is reluctantly yet obediently following the word of God rather than doing so angrily.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Brunelleschi's Dome, I believe the top bronze plate was created by Filippo and the bottom by Lorenzo. I agree with Catherine Pastuovic, that Filippo's plate depicted a more violent and harsh image rather than Lorenzo's, that was more graceful and elegant. From reading Genesis 22, I believe Lorenzo's plate depicts the story better because Abraham is following God without anger and violence.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the description of the bronze plates in Brunellschi's Dome, I believe that the top bronze plate was created by Filippo Brunellschi and the bottom plate was Lorenzo Ghiberti's work. Brunellschi's panel is the more striking of the two portrayals, depicting the scene with Abraham and the angel in "histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac" (King 19). The lower plate matches the description of Lorenzo's plate: a "graceful and elegant" scene. I agree with Bryn Morgan's statement that Lorenzo's plate better depicts the scene from Genesis because it shows Abraham's obedience. In the Bible, Abraham doesn't protest when God tells him to sacrifice Isaac, but shows his devotion by willingly following God's commands. Because Abraham does not argue or protest, but willingly prepares to sacrifice his son, the violent scene that Brunellschi created is interesting but doesn't capture the scene as well as Lorenzo's plate does.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Amy that Brunelleschi's bronze plate is the most striking of the two. Brunelleschi's plate is bold and unique. I also agree that Lorenzo Ghiberti's plate shows a better representation of this scene because the emotion shown in his plate is calmer, and Abraham is portrayed more humbly. Ghiberti's plate of Genesis 22:2-13, shows the most common interpretation of this scene, unlike Brunelleschi, who shows us a more violent and dramatic view.
DeleteI agree with Amy that Brunelleschi's bronze plate is the most striking of the two. Brunelleschi's plate is bold and unique. I also agree that Lorenzo Ghiberti's plate shows a better representation of this scene because the emotion shown in his plate is calmer, and Abraham is portrayed more humbly. Ghiberti's plate of Genesis 22:2-13, shows the most common interpretation of this scene, unlike Brunelleschi, who shows us a more violent and dramatic view.
DeleteWhen comparing the two bronze plates, one can easily identify the respective sculptor who is created with their creations. As noted on page 19, Brunelleschi’s plate was described as the “more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac.” Additionally, it appears that this plate was not created with one single casting, as relief, (voids) appear behind certain figures. Therefore, in my opinion, I think that the top plate is the work of Brunelleschi. Ghiberti’s plate was described to, “appear more graceful and elegant, and his panel was also technically more accomplished…” By reading this, it is obvious to me that the bottom plate is his work, as the figures are positioned in more comfortable and flowing poses. Furthermore, this plate does not contain as much relief as the other and therefore appears to have been created in a single cast, a technical characteristic typical to Ghiberti’s work. In Genesis 22: 2-13, it explains the “Testing of Abraham,” when looking at Ghiberti’s plate, it portrays the scripture reading more meaningful and accurately, in my opinion. I think this because the atmosphere created in the story is very similar to the like the one in Lorenzo Ghiberti’s plate. I agree with Megan Schulte, when she said the sacrifice was peaceful just like Lorenzo Ghiberti’s intent in his plate.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the description of the two panels and Genesis 22:2-13 I believe the top panel is by Filippo Brunellschi while the bottom work is by Lorenzo Ghiberti. The top panel shows Abraham and the angel in violent poses as described on page 19. In contrast the panel below is more graceful and uses less bronse than the above painting, which is how Lorenzo's work is described. I agree with Megan Schulte when she says, "I also think that the bottom bronze plate captures the scene of Genesis 22:2-13 better because when Abraham went to sacrifice his son Isaac, it was peaceful just like Lorenzo's bronze plate shows." In additon to this Abraham expreses an obediant stature in the bottom panel, fitting the story of Genesis 22.
ReplyDeleteAfter looking at both panels and reading the book, along with Genesis, the panel on top was made by Filippo Brunelleschi, and the panel on the bottom was made by Lorenzo Ghiberti.The panel on the top, as stated on page 19,"is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Issac." The top panel is also a better portrayal of Genesis 22:2-13 because the bible describes Abraham at the altar about to sacrifice his son, which is exactly what the panel shows. Meanwhile, the panel on the bottom, represents more of a calming religious scene, instead of one with sacrifice. I agree with Catherine Pastuovic's statement that the top panel portrays a more intense religious scene.
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DeleteI agree with Claire Monticello that the painting on the top is Filippo Brunelleschi's, because it displays a more violent scene and it looks like people are fighting in it. I think the panel on the bottom is Lorenzo's, because it shows a more graceful image and it does not look like anyone is in disagreement with each other. I also agree with Claire's statement that the first panel portrays a more intense religious scene, because in Genesis 22:2-13 Abraham has to sacrifice his son so their is more emotion in that panel than the second one. The second panel represents a less intense religious scene because it does not involve a sacrifice.
I believe that the bronze plate on the top is Philippo Brunelleshi's and the bottom bronze plate is Lorenzo Ghiberti's. The top bronze plate shows the characters in a more violent way and the bottom bronze plate is more peaceful and calm. I agree with Emma Thomas that Lorenzo's pate shows the story of Abraham and the Angel better, because it is more peaceful.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading Genesis 22:2-13 and the description on page 19, I think the plate on top is the work of Filippo Brunelleschi and the bottom plate is Lorenzo Ghiberti's. Brunellieschi's plate shows The Testing of Abraham in a more devastating manor than is described in Genesis. The tone of Ghiberti's plate is much calmer and concurrent with the tone of the Bible passage. I agree with Bryn Morgan that Ghiberti's plate is a better representation of The Testing of Abraham because it depicts Abraham following God's instructions "reluctantly yet obediently".
ReplyDeleteAfter comparing the two pieces to the descriptions in Brunelleschi’s Dome, I have concluded that the first plate was created by Filippo and the second was created by Lorenzo. Filippo’s art is much more dramatic and portrayed the characters in violent positions. Lorenzo’s piece is “more graceful and elegant”. The figures are not as dramatic as Filippo’s. I think that both pieces depict the story of Abraham and Isaac very well; however, I agree with Megan Schulte in that the second, Lorenzo’s, portrays more accurately Genesis 22:2-13. I think that the positions of the characters in Lorenzo are more similar to the ones described in the story; they are not as violent and appear more elegant.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading King's descriptions of both bronze plates, I have come to the conclusion that the top plate is that of Filippo Brunelleschi and the bottom plate is Lorenzo Ghiberti's. King says, "Filippo's pannel is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac." You can see in the top plate the character's are shown more intense and like they're working. Opposed to Lorenzo's plate which is said to be "graceful and elegant" which you can see in the characters of the bottom plate. I think that Lorenzo's plate exemplifies Genesis 22:2-13 better because the reading made scene being portrayed sound magical and glorious, rather than harsh (Brunelleschi). I agree with Hannah Zahn about Filippo taking a creative approach to the plate and having a realistic perspective.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Grace that Lorenzo's plate corresponds to the Genesis story better because of the elegance portrayed.
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DeleteI believe that the top plate was created by Brunelleschi and the lower by Ghiberti. The description on page 19 states that Brunelleschi's was very dramatic and filled with violent poses. The top plate clearly has its figures depicted in violent and dramatic poses with Abraham and the angel reaching for Isaac who appears to be writhing. In my opinion, Ghiberti's plate better describes the scene in the bible. Genesis does not give the impression of an extremely violent scene as is depicted in Brunelleschi's plate.
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DeleteI agree with Ross' statement that Ghiberti's plate better depicts the bible passage because of the lack of violence.
DeleteBased off of King's description on page 19, I believe the top plate to be Fillipo Brunelleschi's because of its violent depiction of the scene in Genesis 22:2-13. Abraham is shown almost willing and eager to sacrifice his son just to please God. On the other hand, the bottom plate illustrates the scene in Genesis more elegantly and with more grace, which leads me to believe that it is the work of Lorenzo Ghiberti. In this panel Abraham seems more reluctant to sacrifice his son and more distraught about it. I believe that Giberti's plate captures the scene in Genesis 22:2-13 better because of Abraham's reluctance to kill his son. He wants to please God and show his faithfulness, but he still does not want to kill his son and that his where his willingness to serve God comes into conflict with his love for his son. Ghiberti's plate shows this better and I believe that if it was not selected to be on the doors of the baptistery, it should have been.
ReplyDeleteAfter inspecting the two plates I would have to assume that Brunelleschi's plate is the top one since (as the book wrote)a "contorting figure of Isaac" is shown. Therefore, Ghiberti's plate would have to be the bottom one. Genesis 22: 2-13 uses the phrases "took the knife to slaughter his son" and "fear God" that I automatically picture a darker version of this bible scene. And since Brunelleschi's plate has sharper details (and a wilder picture) I think his plate is the one I like better. Lastly, even though I agree with Chris T.'s statement that both men worked hard I think the judges should have kept in mind that it was a competition and you can't always say that it's a tie.
ReplyDeleteWhen comparing both of the bronze plates, it is clear that they are of entirely different tones or moods. The top plate depicts a confrontational, violent scene which I believe was created by Filippo Brunelleschi because of the evidence in the novel. On the other hand, Lorenzo Ghiberti was said to have created a plate showing a serene and graceful image. The bottom plate verifies this interpretation of the story of Abraham and his son. I agree with Grace Tierney when she stated that Lorenzo's plate better interpreted the story from Genesis. In the bible, the story was, in fact, more of a magical and glorifying moment rather than a scary dramatic one.
ReplyDeleteI believe the top plate was probably Filippo Brunelleschi's plate given that his was described as having "violent poses" and the plate in the picture has Isaac struggling to escape from Abraham, rather than in the plate below where Isaac simply accepts his fate and looks very heroic. Filippo's probably also was the plate closest to the actual Bible description since once Isaac realized what was happening to him he would have protested dying at his father's hands instead of stoically accepting it. Abraham also, in his desperate attempt to do what God wants, would have appeared quite desperate and violent.
ReplyDeleteBased on the King’s analysis, I believe that Brunelleschi crafted the top plate and that Ghiberti created the other. The distinct impression the artists presented through their panels may be due to their individual creative process. Ghiberti designed his plate in Bartoluccio’s workshop and took into consideration the opinions, suggestions and critiques of nearly anyone. In the attempt to please everyone, Ghiberti’s portrayal of “The Testing of Abraham” is much softer, elegant, and aesthetically pleasing. Brunelleschi’s panel is more aggressive and dramatic, partially because he worked in solitude. In isolation, Brunelleschi made his panel in accordance to his interpretation of Genesis 22. He focuses mainly on the sacrifice of Isaac; as a result, Brunelleschi’s plate seems violent and disturbing.
ReplyDeleteGiven the information on page 19 of the book, it is fairly clear that Brunelleschi's masterpiece is depicted in the first picture, while rival Lorenzo Ghiberti's is shown below it. King describes the first bronze door as "the more dramatic of the two", then goes on to relay to the reader the images of bronze figures that almost appear to be contorted into extreme positions. Because Brunelleschi was considered to be a fairly hot-blooded and eccentric individual in his daily life, it makes sense that he would interpret the ancient story of the sacrifice of Isaac as an emotionally charged event. The intensity of the positions do an excellent job of conveying the the moment in which a messenger of God prevented the death of Abraham's son: The knife poised ready to fatally pierce Isaac's neck and his father's face practically twisted upward in shock at the angel portray how narrowly the slaughter was avoided. In this way, the rawness of the tale, which at its core originates from the horror of Abraham preparing to kill his beloved son, is perfectly shown. For this reason, I believe Brunelleschi's doors are superior in terms of accuracy and poignancy. While Ghiberti's work is undeniably a magnificent piece of art as well, the characters in it seem to be in fairly stagnant positions, as though they were waiting for God to revoke his request for Isaac as a sacrifice; according to the Bible, Abraham had no hint that he would be able to spare his son in the end and that God was merely testing his faith. Therefore, I agree with C. Flanagan's post stating that realistically, Isaac would not have simply accepted his death. As a young boy he would naturally panic, as he did not realize why his father was attempting to murder him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Emily, I prefer Brunelleschi’s portrait over Ghiberti’s. Ghiberti was aiming more for aesthetic appeal and public approval rather than his individual artistic interpretation and expression. Brunelleschi’s bronze art is the polar opposite of Ghiberti’s. His door depicted Genesis in a dramatic and engaging form. Although it is not as elegant as Ghiberti’s panel, Brunelleschi’s portrait is superior because he relied on his intuition and was not concerned with the public’s approval. Rather, he was dedicated to the art and to the dimensions of the story.
DeleteBased on the descriptions in the novel, I believe that the top plate in Brunelleschi's because it portrays a violent scene and Isaac's contorted body. This would mean the second plate, which shows a more graceful scene, is the work of Ghiberti. I agree with Claire Burke when she said that Ghiberti's plate better depicts the scene in Genesis 22: 2-13 because the focus of the bible story is on the glory and loyalty of Abraham's actions, not the violence.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Izzy Armstrong that the plate on top is the work of Filippo Brunelleschi and the plate below is the work of Lorenzo Ghiberti. The upper plate depicts a much more violent scene. Especially seen in the position of Abraham with his hand on Isaac, one can observe the dramatic portrayal executed by Brunelleschi as described in the text on page 19. The description given on page 19 also describes "the contorting figure of Isaac," which is clearly visible in the upper bronze panel. In addition, Lorenzo's panel was described as "cast in a single piece." The bronze in the upper plate is divided into several separate pieces, exemplifying the technical mastery of Lorenzo's plate over Filippo's plate. The lower plate depicts a much more graceful scene, and therefore displays the work of Lorenzo. The position of Abraham, in contrast with his position in Filippo's plate, is much more elegant and fluid. The plate is made with less bronze than the top plate and was executed in one piece. I also agree with Izzy Armstrong that the plate created by Lorenzo captures the biblical scene better. After reading Genesis 22:2-13, I came to this opinion because the scene described is not one of violence and anger, but rather one of service and faithfulness to God. In addition, I believe that the aggressive position of the angel seen in Filippo's plate is inappropriate. The angel has come to deliver the good news that Abraham has passed God's test and does not need to sacrifice his son. Lorenzo's portrayal of a peaceful angel suits the peace that the angel brings in the biblical passage. I agree with Izzy when she described the sacrifice as peaceful and therefore believe that the flowing and peaceful plate created by Lorenzo is the better choice.
ReplyDeleteFrom the descriptions given in the text, I think that the plate on top was the plate of Filippo Brunelleschi. The details on the plate of the violent scene and the contorted body of Isaac are directly stated on page 19 in the book, which gives concrete proof that this plate was indeed the plate of Filippo Brunelleschi. Therefore, the plate on the bottom must be the plate of Lorenzo Ghiberti because of the way that it is more graceful and where the angel and Abraham were placed in contrast to the placement on Brunelleschi's plate. After refreshing my mind on the story in Genesis 22:2-13, I concluded that the second plate, Ghiberti's plate, better fits the story in the way that it shows the sacrifice as peaceful and graceful. I agree with Meg Horne with her idea that the scene is one of peace and service to God, not one of violence and chaos. This scene is a better symbol for the bible story because it depcits the angel and Abraham as more majestic and elegant. This captures the real essence of the story because we are shown less of the side of the horror of sacrificing Isaac, but more of the side of the angel coming to save him and tell Abraham not to sacrifice his son. I prefer the second plate in general because it is less violent and shows the bible story in a better light than Brunelleschi's plate does.
ReplyDeleteI agree with all points made out by Katie because the plate on top clearly matches the description of Brunelleschi and the bottom plate fits more with the description of Ghiberti's plate. I also agree with Katie's opinion that the bottom plate describes the Bible verses better because it does not rely on the drama and horror of Isaac about to be slaughtered.
DeleteAfter reading King's descriptions of the bronze reliefs, one can conclude that Brunelleschi's work is the relief on the top. King states that Brunelleschi's relief portrays "both Abraham and the angel in historic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac." The top relief clearly shows the angel and Abraham above the figure, watching him. The scene appears tense and saddening because the figures' heads are facing the ground. Ghiberti made the bottom relief. One can tell this because the figures depicted "appear more graceful and elegant." Those qualities are portrayed in the figures' positions and the details of their clothing. I believe that Ghiberti's relief depicts the scene in Genesis 22:2-13 because the atmosphere is not as serious and harsh as the top relief. Ghiberti portrays relaxed and happy figures, whereas in Brunelleschi's work, Isaac is on the mountain waiting to be sacrificed by his father. I agree with Emma Thomas' thoughts on Ghiberti's plate being more peaceful and nonviolent. Therefore, the bottom plate shows God's saving grace after Abraham's true test of faith.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Lane's statement that Brunelleschi's plate is the one on the top and Ghiberti's is on the bottom, because Brunelleschi's art tended to be more violent and dramatic, while Ghiberti's art was more graceful and elegant.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with her because the bottom piece better depicts the verses from Genesis. The nonviolence of the plate shows God's mercy when he let Isaac live after Abraham showed his total faith and dedication to God.
Based on the information on page 19 of the book, I think that Filippo's plate is the plate on the top because it depicts a more violent and dramatic scene, which was described in the text. In the top plate, Isaac's contorting body is displayed, as described on page 19 of the book. I think that the second plate is Lorenzo's plate because it is a much more peaceful image where Abraham and Isaac and Lorenzo's plate is described to be more graceful and elegant. I think that the story in Genesis 22:2-13 best represents Lorenzo's plate because the story focuses more about fidelity to God. I agree with Nicole Matousek when she says that the story is more about glory and loyalty to God and not about the violence.
ReplyDeleteAfter studing each plate, one can conclude the the plate on top is indeed the work of Brunelleschi. This is supported by the descrpition of the plates on page 19 by statements that Filipo's plate had more of a dramatic feel where the poses were violent to a greater extent. Also King states that they are standing over a contorting Isaac. In the top plate shown above,I would agree that these poses are clearly less graceful and more forceful or violent than the poses of the people in the plate below it. In addtion on the plate below it looks as if Abraham is presenting himself in elegance while in the scene below he is hunched over and has more of a violent attitude about him. Also the top looks to be a bit more rich with broze. As said by Ross King speaking of Lorenzo "and his panel was also technically more accomplished inasmuch as it used less broze". So therefore is another example by which the top plate is the masterpiece od Filipo Brunelleschi. Also after reading Genesis 22:2-13 I decided that Lorenzo's plate illustrated the story of sacrafice of Isaac much better. I would agree with Katie Carroll that the scence shows more of the angel saving Isaac which is what the moral of the story is.The more graceful and nonviolent poses demonstrate that our God is truly a god of nonviolence and nonhuman sacrifice. THe scene validates that God will save us and he won't let us suffer. While Filipo's work is still one of genius it does not show the essence of the noviolent loving god but more of a depiction of rage and more of a horrific scene.Therefore Lorenzo's plate is a more fitting portrayal of the goodness and grace of God not asking for human sacrifice.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the first plate is Brunelleschi's, and the second one is Ghiberti's plate. Although Caitlin makes a valid point, I disagree with her and I think that Brunelleschi's portrays the passage better. I think that Brunelleschi's image better portrays the great emotion of Abraham's killing his loved son for God.
DeleteI believe the first plate is Brunelleschi's plate, because it is more dramatic and shows a violent image, as page 19 describes. The second plate is Ghiberti's plate, because it seems more elegant and less emotional. After reading Genesis 22:2-13, I think that Brunelleschi's plate portrays the passage better. In the passage God tells Abraham to kill his only son who he loved so much, so I believe that this would have been very emotional,such as Brunelleschi depicts.I also believe that the angel grabbing Abraham's arm in Brunelleschi's plate better depicts Abraham's devotion to God, in that he was so close to killing his own son that the angel physically had to stop him.
ReplyDeleteAfter comparing both plates and reading what King said on page 19 of the book I have come to the conclusion that the plates are very different in the moods they depict. I believe that the top plate is the work of Filippo due to the fact that the mood is more violent and dramatic. This means that the bottom plate must be the work of Lorenzo because of the more peaceful and serene scenes depicted. From reading Genesis 22:2-13 i concluded that Lorenzo's plate depicts the story of the sacrafice of Isaac. I agree with Amy Jeong when she states that the bible verses "best represents Lorenzo's plate because the story focuses more about fidelity to God." I agree with her because of the more graceful tone in Lorenzo's plate.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Matthew's assessment of the two plates. I agree that they both depict different feelings. I also agree that the first plate is Filippo's because it is more violent and the second is Lorenzo's because it is more peaceful.
DeleteBased on the description of the plates on page 19, I agree that Filippo Brunelleschi's plate is on top and Lorenzo Ghiberti's below. Filippo's plate portrays a more harsh scene compared to Lorenzo's peaceful and graceful plate. Ghiberti depicts a better rendition of the story of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac told in Genesis 22:2-13 by his intricate figures which bring out the true grace found in the story.
DeleteI think that the top plate is Brunelleschi's plate because in the book it states "Filippo's panel is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in... violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac."(p.19) In the top plate the figures are less flowing and more violently pictured and the angel and Abraham are above the image of Isaac. I think the bottom plate is Ghiberti's because on page 19 it is described as more graceful and elegant just as the bottom plate looks. I think that Brunelleschi's plate captures Genesis 22:2-13 better because this scene would have high intensity and Abraham is trying to kill his son which would be a violent act. This is just like in Brunelleschi's plate where Abraham and the angel are pictured not graceful but more violent and contorted.
ReplyDeleteWhen comparing the two plates, it is clear that the top one is Brunelleschi's plate. His plate depicts the violence and dramatic effect of the bible passage. It doesn't hold back in showing the brutality of the sacrifice Abraham was about to make. The bottom plate, instead, shows a more graceful and eloquent side of the story. I believe that Brunelleschi's plate describes the bible passage better because it is more realistic. It doesn't hold back when depicting the grave sacrifice Abraham was about to make. It also tells the story better because it includes the angel God sent to stop Abraham. The angel is a sign of God's compassion and deep love for everyone on earth so it is a vital piece of the plate. The bottom plate is more concerned about the looks and beauty of it rather than showing the true colors of the story. Brunelleschi's plate is better simply because it focuses on the story rather than the appearance of the plate.
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DeleteI believe the plate on the top is Filippo Brunelleschi's because the work is more dramatic and violent-looking,consistent with how it was described in book on page 19. I believe the plate on the bottom is Lorenzo’s because it is much more graceful looking as stated on page 19. Filippo's plate shows Abraham at the moment of impact being stopped by an angel making it more dramatic, compared to the scene on Lorenzo's plate which takes place before Araham's knife touches Isaac. I agree with the person above me with the fact that the bottom plate is Lorenzo's plate.
DeleteI believe the top plate is the work of Brunelleschi because it appears to be more violent than the other plate. I also believe that the bottom plate is the work of Ghiberti because it appears more graceful and elegant, just like the description says on page 19. I agree with Ross Sullivan's post that Ghiberti's panel depicts the Bible scene better because Genesis does not give the depiction that this scene is very violent.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading Ross King's explanations of both Lorenzo Ghiberti and Filippo Brunelleschi's bronze plates, I have concluded that the bottom plate is Lorenzo's and the top plate is Filippo's. It is clear that the top plate is Filippo's because it is the more dramatic of the two and as King states, it shows "violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac". The bottom plate is evidently Lorenzo's plate because it is the more graceful and elegant of the two. I believe that Lorenzo Ghiberti's plate captures the scene better because of the simplicity and peacefulness embraced in the plate which correlates with the story in Genesis.
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I believe that the top bronze plate is the work of Brunelleschi and the bottom plate is the work of Ghiberti. The top plate is the work of Brunelleschi because, as described in the book, is "more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the confronting figure of Isaac". Brunelleschi's plate exemplifies the description in that the angel and Abraham are in physical confrontation over Isaac and Abraham is actually holding the knife up to Isaac's neck. The bottom plate has to be Ghiberti's because it matches Ross's description of it being "more graceful and elegant". Ghiberti's cast depicts a more peaceful scene than Brunelleschi's because Abraham and the angel are not in physical confrontation and Abraham also is not holding the knife up to Isaac's necks as in the top cast. I also believe that the bottom cast depicts the scene in the Bible better because it does not show physical confrontation between Abraham and the messenger as that was not stated in the Bible, unlike the plate above which depicts a greater struggle.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Christian when he states that the bottom picture is a better image of the story in Genesis because it does not show physical confrontation. That is important because the Bible passage does not state anything about physical confrontation because the passage was seen as peaceful. Like Christian said, the top picture shows a struggle, that the Bible never mentioned.
DeleteIn accordance with Claire Burke, I agree that the top plate is Brunelleschi's and the bottom plate is Ghiberti's. The bronze plates accenting the doors of the Baptistery of San Giovanni symbolize a deeper sense of conflict surrounding all of Italy--conflict influenced by political motives, religious beliefs, and architectural persona. The rivalry of Ghiberti and Brunelleschi is one common example of this. The artists were given the challenging task of creating a depiction of the Sacrafice of Isaac.
ReplyDeleteGenesis 22:2-13 illustrates an ambiguous portrayal of God. God orders Abraham to sacrafice his son despite Abraham's initial struggle to bear children with his barren wife. The scene portrayed seems violent at first, but when Abraham puts faith in God, God offers him a ram to sacrafice instead. As a result, Abraham experiences compassion and peace.
Ghiberti and Brunelleschi chose to interpret and depict the twelve verses very differently. Brunelleschi's piece presents a more impassioned portrayal, with the focus of the sacrafice primarily being evil. The text on page 19 emphasizes Brunelleschi's contorting figure of Isaac, which highlights this dark interpretation. "Filippo's panel is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac." (pg. 19). Brunelleschi's perception is clearly rendered in the upper plate.
Contrastingly, Ghiberti's biblical portrayals take on a more graceful and elegant appearance. The scene isn't as violent as Brunelleschi's. Ghiberti's technical genius manipulates the bronze in order to create flow and magnificence. Ghiberti's craft fosters a more peaceful mood. This depiction would match with the lower plate.
Overall, Ghiberti's intepretation more accurately portrays the Bible story. As with most perplexing Bible stories, its message leads us to a religious truth--the importance of faith. God is compassionate and peaceful when we trust in Him. I agree with Izzy Armstrong because the emphasis of the story is on faith, rather than violence. Therefore, Ghiberti accurately captures the story.
Like my fellow peer above, Claire Burke, I agree that the two plates set two entirely different moods. The top plate renders a fiercer and more theatrical scene whereas the bottom plate portrays a tranquil scene. This being said, the top plate is surely Filippo's work as the bottom is Lorenzo's.
ReplyDeleteGenesis 22:2-13, Abraham's sacrificing of Isaac, sets a peaceful and elegant mood just as Lorenzo's plate. Abraham is making a violent act, but it is through trust and faith in God that he does it. The top plate shows more brutality than was actually in the bible verse.
I believe the top panel is Brunelleschi's because it shows Abraham and the angel to be in ridged, violent poses above Isaac, like the book states on page 19. Therefor the botom panel shows Ghiberti's portrayal of the biblical scene where the characters are more graceful and flow nicely. I think that Ghiberti's plate captures the scene of Genesis 22:2-13 because as Ross Sullivan said, "Genesis does not give the impression of an extremely violent scene as is depicted in Brunelleschi's plate." I agree with his statement because in the bible the characters appear to be in a more peaceful manner and in control and not hectic and violent as Brunelleschi's plate depicts.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading page 19, I think that the bronze plate on the top is Filippo Brunelleschi's. I believe this because it states that Lorenzo's figures are more graceful and elegant. As you can see in the bronze plate on the top, it consists of violent poses, unlike the bottom scene that sets a peaceful mood. Lorenzo's plate captures the idea of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac. The sacrifice was not as grueling as Filippo displays it.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the descriptions of the two artists' doors in the book Brunelleschi's Dome, I agree with Emily Phelps and believe that the top panel is Filippo Brunelleschi's design and the bottom panel is Lorenzo Ghiberti's design. The top panel seems to be Brunelleschi's because it depicts a more dramatic scene in which Abraham and the angel are violently posed over Isaac. This image is very powerful gives the viewer a sense of chaos and fear. Ghiberti's portrayal of the same scene in the bottom panel is very different. He makes the figures "appear more graceful and elegant" as it says in Brunelleschi's Dome. The figures look calm and in control unlike the frantic looking figures of Brunelleschi's image. I think that Ghiberti's panel better portrays the scene described in Genesis 22:2-13. The Bible never suggests that this scene was chaotic or violent. The characters seem to act in a calm manner, showing their trust in God, just as Ghiberti has shown in his panel.
ReplyDeleteBased on Ross King's description of the two bronze plates, the upper plate correctly depicts the work of Fillipo Brunelleschi, which portrays a scene of violence and cruelty. This corresponds correctly to King's description of Brunelleschi's upper plate, "violent poses above the contorting figure of Isaac." Lorenzo Ghiberti definitely created the lower plate as it shows images of delicacy and beauty and consequently, this plate also matches King's description as it being "graceful and elegant." I agree with Emma Thomas that Lorenzo Ghiberti's plate captures the biblical scene better than Fillipo Brunelleschi's as "it is not violent, but rather peaceful and straightfoward." The point of the Bible story was to show God's mercy and grace and that is exactly what Lorenzo Ghiberti crafted.
ReplyDeleteThe plate on top is Brunelleschi's because of its violent nature of Abraham and the angel. As Ross King observed "Filippo's panel is the more dramatic of the two, portraying both Abraham and the angel in histrionic and even violent poses..." The bottom plate is Ghiberti's due to its elegant nature. As Ross wrote "Lorenzo's figures, on the other hand, appear to be more graceful and elegant..." Brunelleschi's plate captures the events of the story better because he shows the extreme pain that Abraham was feeling right before sacrificing his own son. The event would have been extremely violent which is why the elegant design of Ghiberti does not match the story well.
ReplyDeleteIn King's description of the two bronze plates, one can conclude that the top plate is indeed one Fillipo Brunellschi's pieces while the bottom plate is Lorenzo Ghiberti's piece. On page 19, King describes Brunelleschi's plate as "dramatic" and "violent" as it illustrates Abraham and the angel above the writhing figure of Isaac. On the other hand, Ghiberti's plate is described to be more "graceful and elegant". Both plates describe the same scene in the Genesis story but through different perspectives which can also represent how many perceive this very important story in our belief.
ReplyDeleteAs for my opinion of which plate better captures the scene, I perfer Lorenzo Ghiberti's bronze plate for many reasons. I perceive this story of Genesis as test of fidelity to God, like my fellow peer Amy Jeong has stated. The story is not focused on the fact of Abraham almost slaughtering his son but rather on the fact of Abraham proving his fidelity to God. This scene is not violent and hectic but rather serious which is why I perfer Ghiberti's image because it shows the scene with less drama than what Brunellschi's image is described as.
Using page 19 as a reference, it is clear that the top plate is Brunelleschi's because of many different observations. First of all, Abraham is holding a knife to Isaac's throat. This is consistent with Genesis. Lorenzo's model only showed Abraham standing next to Isaac in a very graceful and calm pose. In Filippo's rendition, Abraham holds Isaac with great aggressiveness and authority. The image Lorenzo portrays is one that shows a somewhat calm scene. Filippo does a good job of creating an image that is described in Genesis 22:2-13. God's messenger grabs a hold of Abraham in Brunelleschi's version. This is in contrast with Lorenzo's version, where God's messenger just talks with Abraham. I agree with Paul Cushing's assessment of the scene because "The Testing of Abraham" is definitely a high intensity scene.
ReplyDeleteI think the top panel was made Filippo Brunelleschi and the bottom one is Lorenzo Ghiberti's. The top one shows aspects that coincide with the description of Filippo's panel in the book. For example, it shows Isaac about to be sacraficed by Moses, which isn't in the panel that Lorenzo did. In Filippo's panel it shows Moses in a lumbering stance over Isaac, which matches the description in the book saying it was "violent". Meanwhile, Lorenzo's made all of the people very poised in their posture, as described in the book. Filippo's carving style also matches the panel on top because it is very simple in comparison to the intricate carving of Lorenzo's, on the bottom.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading Genesis 22:2-13, I definately think that the top panel, Filippo's, better portrays the image in the bible. In the bible, it says that the angel of the lord appeared, and the angel is only included in the top panel. It also includes in the bible that Moses was about to slaughter Isaac, and this is shown in the top panel, while Isaac isn't even in the bottom panel.
Based on King’s description of the two bronze plates, the first one must be Brunelleschi’s. Brunelleschi’s plate was described on page 19 as a more violent and dramatic portrayal of the bible scene. This is clearly seen on the first plate, especially in regard to the angel holding Abraham’s arm, whose facial expression seems angry and threatening. The second plate is Ghiberti’s because the scene is much les angry and more elegant. The angel saving Isaac’s life looks graceful and majestic in mid flight, unlike the angel in Brunelleschi’s plate who seems powerful and upset. I think that Ghiberti’s plate is a better depiction of the scene in Genesis 22:2-13 because his scene captures the emotions of the story very well. Abraham looks sorrowful but obedient while sacrificing his only son for God; this is how Abraham should look because in the bible story Abraham’s obedience and trust in God is what saves his son, Isaac. Brunelleschi’s plate on the other hand, is different than what most people expected to see. His interpretation of the scene is unique and portrays the bible story in a different kind of light.
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ReplyDeleteI believe that Filippo Brunelleschi created the top plate, and Lorenzo Ghiberti made the bottom plate. Based on Ross King's description, Filippo's design is striking and violent. In Genesis 22 Filippo captures the dramatic part of Isaac almost being offered as a holocaust to the Lord. However, I agree with Oriana Mejia in saying that Lorenzo's design best captures Genesis 22:2-13. Ghiberti depicts a more pleasing and majestic version of the verses. In Chapter 22, Isaac is spared and the Lord's messenger tells Abraham, "In your descendants all the nations of the earth shall find blessing" (Gen 22:18). This is a joyous time for both Isaac and Abraham. Both men tell the same story in special and different ways through their art.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nonye that the top panel was created by Brunelleschi, and the bottom panel by Ghiberti. I also agree that the bottom panel depicts the scene much better of the two because of its majesty and elegance.
DeleteI agree with Nonye that the top and bottom panels are the works of Filippo and Lorenzo, respectively. I also agree that the bottom panel is a much better fit for the scene described in the bible, as it is much more elegant than the panel above it.
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ReplyDeleteBased on King's description on page 19, I think that the top picture is Brunelleschi's, and the bottom picture is Ghiberti's. The description of Filippo's panel is that his "is the more dramatic of the two... and even violent poses above the contorting figre of Isaac." This is matched to the top one because of Abraham grabbing his son, and the angel grabbing Abraham. Lorenzo's, on the other hand, appears to be "more graceful and elegant," which is shown in his panel. So to respond to the previous comment, I disagree with Nonye's opinion. I think Filippo's panel is much more intense then Lorenzo's, which the sacrifice was for Abraham. The angel also is grabbing Abraham with intensity because he was near killing Isaac, which the angel prevented by grabbing him.
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ReplyDeleteBased on the king's discription on page 19, I believe that the top panel is the work of Brunelleschi's, which is described as "more dramatic" and portrays the scene in "histrionic and even violent poses." This is very well depicted in the top panel. Meanwhile, the bottom panel matches the description of Ghiberti's panel in the book, taking a "more graceful and elegant" pose. I agree with Nonye that the bottom panel definitely captures this scene. I think the scene is much more elegant and graceful, like Ghiberti's work, rather than intense and violent. shown in Brunelleschi's panel. Though I appreciate the drama of the scene depicted in the top panel and agree that this is an intense scene of the Bible, I don't think that the top panel demonstrates the intensity in the right way.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the top panel is the work of Brunelleschi's because you can see how much more dramatic it is with the timing. Abraham is swinging down just as the Angel is grabbing his hand. His is also more violent than the other one. With that though I think Ghiberti's panel is more accurate in depicting Genesis 22:2-13. Ghiberti's is less brutal and shows more of what happened in his panel. Unlike Brunelleschi's which is a lot more dramatic and more intended as an breathtaking piece of art
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ReplyDeleteUsing Ross King's descriptions of the panels on page 19 as a reference, I believe that Filippo Brunelleschi's panel is on top and Lorenzo Ghiberti's panel is on the bottom. King states that Lorenzo's panel is "the more dramatic of the two", that the panel portrays Abraham and the angel in almost violent poses above Isaac. This description corresponds well with the first panel. Lorenzo's panel, however, King says is more graceful and elegant. Due to the fluid, calm appearance of the characters in the bottom panel, it seems that that plate is Lorenzo's work. In my opinion, Lorenzo Ghiberti's panel better depicts the Genesis passage because it is
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ReplyDeleteI concur with the first five comments the plate on the top is Brunelleschi’s. It is more violent and vivid as is described in the book. But in my opinion while the bottom plate is less violent I prefer the bottom plate though it is more temped and I prefer that the top one. John Walsh 154088
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